Shilpa being compared to Aisleyne is ridiculous.

[emma]

They come from completely different worlds. Aisleyne is a soul of the people. Shilpa does not represent this at all. She was my favourite but her glass exterior is shattering. Shilpa is classy but that's all there is to admire about her. She is not very honest with herself and others. She is very 'nice' to people who are obviously not her friends and disloyal to those who are. She's trying far too hard to fit in and she is letting herself down.

Aisleyne stayed true to herself through out the show, so I don't see the comparison. Shilpa deserves the Goodies if she really wants them.

My support goes to Dirk, Jermaine and Cleo now.

[yoda]

Hi Emma,

All I will say is please dont be too hard on Shilpa -- she comes from a totally different culture to ours, where you are expected to be gushingly nice to everyone. It is not regarded as false over there, it is just good manners. She will have been brought up to act like that.

I feel that Shilpa is being victimised by other HMs and by certain elements in the crowd, and that is why she is being compared with Ash.

[emma]

I've had the good fortune of travelling and experiencing many cultures and have lived with wonderful asian of class and culture, so I'll trust my own judgement in this when I say Shilpa's behaviour has nothing to with her good manners, which she does possess. No arguement there. Everything I criticised about her has nothing to do with culture but her personality. Why people are hiding behind the fact she is Asian I do not know. I know many more Asians with more integrity in their little finger. I prefer to judge her on her, not her background. That is at least fair.

[bengos]

yoda said:

I feel that Shilpa is being victimised by other HMs and by certain elements in the crowd, and that is why she is being compared with Ash.

That's how I see it, too.

I don't think Ais and Shilpa are particularly similar in terms of the person they are, but the treatment from some HMs, BB, and the crowd is somewhat reminiscent of the situation Ais was in.

Going by last night's eviction show, the same group of 6 very unattractive chavs chanting "Shilpa out" were the same ones, i'd bet, that did the Ais chanting in BB7.

[emptybox]

I mostly agree with yoda, and think that Shilpa is being misunderstood. Also she hates conflict, so wants to be friendly to everybody.

However I'm not quite as pro Shilpa today as I was a couple of days ago. I think she has been a bit mean to Dirk behind his back.

She also has a habit of trying to take people into the toilet to talk in private, rather than talking out problems openly.

On balance though, I still like her, and I do see a parralel with the way Ash was treated by other housemates and the public, although the two girls are very different obviously.

[becki]

bengos said:

yoda said:

I feel that Shilpa is being victimised by other HMs and by certain elements in the crowd, and that is why she is being compared with Ash.

That's how I see it, too.

I don't think Ais and Shilpa are particularly similar in terms of the person they are, but the treatment from some HMs, BB, and the crowd is somewhat reminiscent of the situation Ais was in.

Going by last night's eviction show, the same group of 6 very unattractive chavs chanting "Shilpa out" were the same ones, i'd bet, that did the Ais chanting in BB7.

Thats exactly what i think.
Shilpa has really grown on me. she doesnt deserve the dislike shes getting of the other housemates. And neither did Ash.
Lat night just reminded me of when the small sad group of people chanted 'Aisleyne Out', it really made me angry when they did that. So last night, i really felt sorry for Shilpa. She seems really sweet. But Ash is alays gonna be my fav housemate of all time!

[ofni]

Hi Emma, as I have made a couple of references to the Shilpa/Aisleyen parallels, and have even posted a question to Ash about it, I think I should also answer your post. I have not watched a lot of CBB5, and very very little live feed, so I am not in a position to comment on Shilpa's character or personality as compared to Aisleyne's. What I have read is a lot of comment on the forums about her, and it is what I read there in some disturbingly similar posts with strangely familiar terminology and spellings, and some of the same forum names as I remember from BB7 that causes me to see such similarities between the way that housemates, Endemol editing, the live crowd and DS and C4 FMs treat Shilpa to the way they treated Aisleyne. I also detect the same undercurrent of racism which seemed to me to motivate a lot of the continuing and incessant nastiness of some of these individuals which went way out of proportion to the usual level of anti-housemate badinage. I think it's that similarity which is causing some Ash fans to feel positive towards Shilpa, a feeling which I gather you don't share. Which is absolutely fair enough and I don't think you should feel under any pressure to change your view.

The other aspect I have suggested is significant is the way that Aisleyne's name keeps cropping up in CBB5 forum discussions. Many of the comments are of course from Aisleyne fans, many others from "the hatterz", and some are pretty much neutral or objective comments. What can't be denied is that Aisleyne seems to have made a lasting impression on BB fans and has assured her place as one of the "Big Names" in Big Brother history. That, I think, is the most significant aspect of this debate, rather than any question of Shilpa being "the new Aisleyne". There's can only be one Aisleyne, and that's Aisleyne!

[Julian]

There always seem to be one housemate who some people decide are fake just because they are being nice or try to get along with people. Aisleyne was that housemate in BB7 and Shilpa seems to be that house mate in CBB5.

I believe that she is being totally genuine in her attempts to get along with people and to try to see the good in people. Her preference for having chats in the toilet is because she wants to sort out her issues with people in private rather than in full view of the public. If anything, that just proves that she isn't being nice for effect. If she wanted to fake being nice she wouldn't be trying to do it where she believes we can't see it!

I have to agree with yoda about the culture. Where I work we have a lot of programmers from India working with us and I've also been to India to help train them in our facility there. They are all incredibly polite. Some are almost fawning in their politeness. There's a guy who stands up and almost bows to me whenever I go to speak with him at his desk! It's quite embarrassing really, but it's just a culture thing. Politeness and respect for others seems to be a very important part of the culture. It's not about being fake it's about how they were brought up.

Personally I think we could all do with a bit more politeness and respect for each other. Jackiey's brand of in your face like it or lump it 'realness' is not something to be proud of, in my opinion.

Regards

Julian

[emma]

I got some good replies there. Thank you all.

Ofni I'm sorry to say but I didn't understand much of what you wrote because I didn't use the forums till this year, but it sounds all a little extreme to me. As far as the forums are concerned I really can't get onto a level where I am going to get angry with other forumers over a reality show just because they have another opinion to me.All this shouting of racism and bullying is so over the top and silly to me I can't help but think a lot of it is a wind up. I just can't get involved. Who are you speaking of anyway? If those forums are like this then I'll have to leave. It's mayhem in there. I just don't have the time in the day for it. This is meant to be a silly amusement for me. My husband gives me enough odd looks with this new little interest. I think he thinks I'm going mad. lol. Seriously though, I love Aisleyne but she has her own life and I do to.

Also back to the issue of Shilpa. I admired her for her sophistication and class and the way she conducts herself. A lot of the girls in there could learn from her. especially Jade and Danielle. She is an interesting element to the show. I was appalled to see how events unfolded with the girls. Their behaviour was disgusting. Danielle behaved like a child. Her issues with Shilpa are real but she should have confronted her as an adult. Shilpa was the first person to snub anyone in the house because of their class. That was not an admiral trait and that is a human quality not a culture quality. Most people are sensitive to vibes and she has been giving off some very superior ones. I would like to add here that anyone who has experience of sophisticated culture in any foreign country will know that snobs are snobs all over the world and pretty much think the same way. Shilpa is a snob. I have met many privileged Asians, Chinese and Africans far wealthier than Shilpa who are very humble for what they have and don't look down on people the way she has done. My husband's industry (fashion) has allowed us to setup business in many foreign countries and we have had the privilege to meet people on so many levels over many many years. One thing I have learnt, remove the culture and you will find that people are very much the same all over the world. You have nasty ones and nice ones. Shilpa has everything admirable of class. What she forgot along the way is humility. This is what the house has 'felt' off her, but instead of approaching her maturely about it they have chosen the roguish route. It was unpleasant to watch and I truly felt sorry for Shilpa. She did not deserve that. But Jermaine sees it the whole thing for what it is and respectfully urges her to be true to herself because she is giving off a lot of the wrong signals. You can't look down on someone and pretend to be their friend. People will see you as false. And that is exactly what is happening. She is not coming across as sincere. Anyone who says it is a culture thing is wrong. I've met far too many woman of class and culture in other countries who I regard as sincere to know the difference. And I've also met a many who aren't. I once sat at dinner in Hanoi with a Chinese girl engaged to our business partner (also Chinese) of significant age difference with her gay friend on one side. While he excused himself to the toilet she and her friend behaved in a way that was quite frankly embarrassing about how their relationship was very much convenience for her. She was beautiful and sophisticated and young, but obviously not in love and not shy to express it when his back was turned. Just an example to say that people behave the same everywhere.

Shilpa took a huge risk coming onto a show like this. In her culture she could be doing a lot of damage to her career if she gets caught in these types of spats with the girls. Personally Jade could be very damaging to her. It's very bad to lose face over there. I've seen businesses fall because a man has lost his cool in a meeting. The shun is so reactive it's mesmerizing sometimes. We've wasted time and money in silly spats.

She is struggling to relate to these people and I don't blame her. So is Jermaine, but he is behaving in way that is true to himself and is earning a lot more respect for it.

[emptybox]

I think Shilpa's reaction to Jackiey was not because of her class.
It was horror at Jackiey's total lack of self-control.
Something that Shilpa is all about.

[Julian]

emma said:

Also back to the issue of Shilpa...Shilpa was the first person to snub anyone in the house because of their class. That was not an admiral trait and that is a human quality not a culture quality. Most people are sensitive to vibes and she has been giving off some very superior ones. I would like to add here that anyone who has experience of sophisticated culture in any foreign country will know that snobs are snobs all over the world and pretty much think the same way. Shilpa is a snob. I have met many privileged Asians, Chinese and Africans far wealthier than Shilpa who are very humble for what they have and don't look down on people the way she has done...You can't look down on someone and pretend to be their friend. People will see you as false. And that is exactly what is happening. She is not coming across as sincere. Anyone who says it is a culture thing is wrong. I've met far too many woman of class and culture in other countries who I regard as sincere to know the difference.

You cannot say that I'm wrong any more than I can say definitively that you're wrong. You can say that in your opinion I'm wrong.

The best way to decide who is and isn't wrong, however, is to examine the facts.

I dispute your assertion that she snubbed anyone because of their class - when was this?

I dispute your assertion that she's a snob or that she lacks humility. I dispute your assertion that she's looking down on people that she pretends to be friends with.

All the evidence I have seen is precisely the opposite. She is bending over backwards to see the best in people, to get along with people and to be kind and considerate towards people. I don't see her shirking her responsibilies with respect to cooking or other housework. In fact her nominations were primarily against people who she thought weren't pulling their weight!

Her main problem with Jackiey originally was that Jackiey was being demeaning towards her friends by working them overly hard as servants. That wasn't being superior that was being shocked at Jackiey being superior!

She might at times be disapproving of behaviour that shocks her but I would hardly call that snobbishness. Especially given some of the behaviour that we're talking about

Regards

Julian

[emma]

I think Shilpa has some great qualities Julian. You can dispute what you like but my very success in my life is purely down to being a good judge of character. I'm not suggesting that Shilpa is a nasty person. She is hardworking and I have already said I admire her ambition. I still think she is a snob and that is my opinion. Dispute it all you like but I'm entitled to it and you wont change it.

Going into the toilets to gossip about people you have just met in a disparaging way and laughing about them because they are of a lower class is EXTREMELY snobbish. Please don't try and change my opinion on this. That is the way it is. I accept that you obviously don't see it like this. But I will not accept any excuse of her running into a toilet to sblack person at the lower classes as part of her culture because that is absolute rubbish insulting to her whole culture a lot of my friends.

There is a lot to be admired of Shilpa. She breaking barriers for traditional young women which is why I will always support her in that sense. But on a personal level I think she could have behaved better and not lowered herself to the standard of some of those girls. Some of us appreciate her more than others will do. We are different and what we admire will be different. But lets be honest and see things as they are too.

[becki]

julian said:

You cannot say that I'm wrong any more than I can say definitively that you're wrong. You can say that in your opinion I'm wrong.

The best way to decide who is and isn't wrong, however, is to examine the facts.

I dispute your assertion that she snubbed anyone because of their class - when was this?

I dispute your assertion that she's a snob or that she lacks humility. I dispute your assertion that she's looking down on people that she pretends to be friends with.

All the evidence I have seen is precisely the opposite. She is bending over backwards to see the best in people, to get along with people and to be kind and considerate towards people. I don't see her shirking her responsibilies with respect to cooking or other housework. In fact her nominations were primarily against people who she thought weren't pulling their weight!

Her main problem with Jackiey originally was that Jackiey was being demeaning towards her friends by working them overly hard as servants. That wasn't being superior that was being shocked at Jackiey being superior!

She might at times be disapproving of behaviour that shocks her but I would hardly call that snobbishness. Especially given some of the behaviour that we're talking about

Regards

Julian

Great post Julian.
Shilpa is really sweet. She deserves respect, but she isnt getting it from a small group of people who think they are 'better' than her. I liked Jade before she went in, but her and Danielle are a really bad pair.

[odm]

emma said:

I think Shilpa has some great qualities Julian. You can dispute what you like but my very success in my life is purely down to being a good judge of character. I'm not suggesting that Shilpa is a nasty person. She is hardworking and I have already said I admire her ambition. I still think she is a snob and that is my opinion. Dispute it all you like but I'm entitled to it and you wont change it.

Going into the toilets to gossip about people you have just met in a disparaging way and laughing about them because they are of a lower class is EXTREMELY snobbish. Please don't try and change my opinion on this. That is the way it is. I accept that you obviously don't see it like this. But I will not accept any excuse of her running into a toilet to sblack person at the lower classes as part of her culture because that is absolute rubbish insulting to her whole culture a lot of my friends.

There is a lot to be admired of Shilpa. She breaking barriers for traditional young women which is why I will always support her in that sense. But on a personal level I think she could have behaved better and not lowered herself to the standard of some of those girls. Some of us appreciate her more than others will do. We are different and what we admire will be different. But lets be honest and see things as they are too.

This is a very fair and level headed post. I dont have a problem with Shilpa but I see what Emma is saying and why she is saying it as I have thought the same things.

As far as a housemate goes I have already said that Shilpa does nothing for me but only because she does,nt have any magnetic quality that personally endears me. Anyway the best person will win.

[mich007]

Ash's comparisons with Shilpa

I think the comparison is because of how she has been singled out and bullied. Also the girls feel threatened by her. I think Ash was singled out because she was seen as a threat, she wouldn't suck up to Grace, so immediately she was hated. I think she had a confidence that intimidated people she was footloose and fancy free.

My take on Shilpa.

I think Shilpa is doing very well. This is a woman who is used to people calling her madam fetching and carrying for her. I think she is quite humble for someone who is used to that, she is not a diva. Yes in the kitchen she likes to take charge, but I think it is mainly because no one else really bothers, and I don't think she trusts or will particularly like anyone elses cooking. Some may think that is snobbish, but this woman lives in India. Coming over here living in this house must be a culture shock to her, it can't be easy in my opinion. She is articulate smart beautiful and assertive and sharp, this is why the others find her threatening. She's not sucking up to Jade like the others, to be fair she didn't know who she was before she came in the house. She does tend to go on about things a lot, I can identify with that, band she cares what people think and how she comes across iwhich is only natural, she is not used to this environment.
She discusses the situation/problems aloud as she is trying to find out what others think. She also confronts those concerned, I don't think this is manipulative. I am not saying Shilpa is a saint but compared to the other girls she's a cut above them and it's not because of her status it is her attitude she actually cares about people and has tried to no avail to resolve arguments but the others are not having it they just want to pick on everything.

If I had advice for Shilpa I would say she should let someone else cook or just cook for those who want to eat her food.

[odm]

emma said:

I got some good replies there. Thank you all.

Ofni I'm sorry to say but I didn't understand much of what you wrote because I didn't use the forums till this year, but it sounds all a little extreme to me. As far as the forums are concerned I really can't get onto a level where I am going to get angry with other forumers over a reality show just because they have another opinion to me.All this shouting of racism and bullying is so over the top and silly to me I can't help but think a lot of it is a wind up. I just can't get involved. Who are you speaking of anyway? If those forums are like this then I'll have to leave. It's mayhem in there. I just don't have the time in the day for it. This is meant to be a silly amusement for me. My husband gives me enough odd looks with this new little interest. I think he thinks I'm going mad. lol. Seriously though, I love Aisleyne but she has her own life and I do to.

Also back to the issue of Shilpa. I admired her for her sophistication and class and the way she conducts herself. A lot of the girls in there could learn from her. especially Jade and Danielle. She is an interesting element to the show. I was appalled to see how events unfolded with the girls. Their behaviour was disgusting. Danielle behaved like a child. Her issues with Shilpa are real but she should have confronted her as an adult. Shilpa was the first person to snub anyone in the house because of their class. That was not an admiral trait and that is a human quality not a culture quality. Most people are sensitive to vibes and she has been giving off some very superior ones. I would like to add here that anyone who has experience of sophisticated culture in any foreign country will know that snobs are snobs all over the world and pretty much think the same way. Shilpa is a snob. I have met many privileged Asians, Chinese and Africans far wealthier than Shilpa who are very humble for what they have and don't look down on people the way she has done. My husband's industry (fashion) has allowed us to setup business in many foreign countries and we have had the privilege to meet people on so many levels over many many years. One thing I have learnt, remove the culture and you will find that people are very much the same all over the world. You have nasty ones and nice ones. Shilpa has everything admirable of class. What she forgot along the way is humility. This is what the house has 'felt' off her, but instead of approaching her maturely about it they have chosen the roguish route. It was unpleasant to watch and I truly felt sorry for Shilpa. She did not deserve that. But Jermaine sees it the whole thing for what it is and respectfully urges her to be true to herself because she is giving off a lot of the wrong signals. You can't look down on someone and pretend to be their friend. People will see you as false. And that is exactly what is happening. She is not coming across as sincere. Anyone who says it is a culture thing is wrong. I've met far too many woman of class and culture in other countries who I regard as sincere to know the difference. And I've also met a many who aren't. I once sat at dinner in Hanoi with a Chinese girl engaged to our business partner (also Chinese) of significant age difference with her gay friend on one side. While he excused himself to the toilet she and her friend behaved in a way that was quite frankly embarrassing about how their relationship was very much convenience for her. She was beautiful and sophisticated and young, but obviously not in love and not shy to express it when his back was turned. Just an example to say that people behave the same everywhere.

Shilpa took a huge risk coming onto a show like this. In her culture she could be doing a lot of damage to her career if she gets caught in these types of spats with the girls. Personally Jade could be very damaging to her. It's very bad to lose face over there. I've seen businesses fall because a man has lost his cool in a meeting. The shun is so reactive it's mesmerizing sometimes. We've wasted time and money in silly spats.

She is struggling to relate to these people and I don't blame her. So is Jermaine, but he is behaving in way that is true to himself and is earning a lot more respect for it.

This is what I would call a STUNNING post. Well said. Karma to you no problem.

[odm]

mich007 said:

Ash's comparisons with Shilpa

I think the comparison is because of how she has been singled out and bullied. Also the girls feel threatened by her. I think Ash was singled out because she was seen as a threat, she wouldn't suck up to Grace, so immediately she was hated. I think she had a confidence that intimidated people she was footloose and fancy free.

My take on Shilpa.

I think Shilpa is doing very well. This is a woman who is used to people calling her madam fetching and carrying for her. I think she is quite humble for someone who is used to that, she is not a diva. Yes in the kitchen she likes to take charge, but I think it is mainly because no one else really bothers, and I don't think she trusts or will particularly like anyone elses cooking. Some may think that is snobbish, but this woman lives in India. Coming over here living in this house must be a culture shock to her, it can't be easy in my opinion. She is articulate smart beautiful and assertive and sharp, this is why the others find her threatening. She's not sucking up to Jade like the others, to be fair she didn't know who she was before she came in the house. She does tend to go on about things a lot, I can identify with that, band she cares what people think and how she comes across iwhich is only natural, she is not used to this environment.
She discusses the situation/problems aloud as she is trying to find out what others think. She also confronts those concerned, I don't think this is manipulative. I am not saying Shilpa is a saint but compared to the other girls she's a cut above them and it's not because of her status it is her attitude she actually cares about people and has tried to no avail to resolve arguments but the others are not having it they just want to pick on everything.

If I had advice for Shilpa I would say she should let someone else cook or just cook for those who want to eat her food.

You know its a very interesting thing Mich...this problem about Kitchens and women. You are right you know that Shilpa should just cook the food for those who want it and in general just try to make herself 'smaller' in the kitchen altogether. I think there is always someone in the house that tends to HOG the bladdy kitchen....and if its a women the other girls ALWAYS get funny...lol..

We women are a funny bunch..

[mich007]

There's an argument/discussion on the live feed right now about it.
Listening to Jade and observing Shilpa I will say that Shilpa feels like an outcast. I think part of the reason why she has been in the kitchen a bit is because that is the only place where she can express herself in the house. I think she is a bit of a perfectionist and very sensitive, I also think she takes criticism very badly which is easy when it is put to you the wrong way and you are used to people fetching and carrying for you and so naturally she takes things to heart. I think she has the best intentions but it isn't being received, therefore she needs to spend less time in the kitchen. Also she needs to let go of things which isn't always easy, I feel for the girl but she keeps on digging up things and won't let it lie. She will probably feel of less use in the house if she spends less time in the kitchen but she just needs to relax a bit and enjoy the experience a bit more. That said I still stand by my opinion that Jade Jo and Daniel have been cruel to her. Jade is trying to reason with Shilpa now but tomorrow she'll probably start being nasty again.

Update

It started as a discussion but then Jade laid into her

Magnified the fact that she chose to vote for Carol in the vote off despite the fact that she hung out with her. Jade repeated this over and over accusing her of playing a game when she should have been loyal to Carol i.e some people chose not to vote. However they voted for Chloe by default without realising. (however someone on DSBB pointed out that Jade laid into Ken because he wasn't playing the game)

Told Shilpa that it made her look fake/accused Shilpa of being fake

Shilpa said it was part of the game in her BB contract to participate

Jade then said to her so you are playing at game

repeating it over and over.

Jade accuses Shilpa of being a fake that she changes all the time, singling her out saying she understands everyone but not her.

Told Shilpa she shouldn't take things to heart i. e when they were complaining about the chicken (What even when she and Daniel made those nasty comments.)

Said she should step back from the kitchen (I agreed with this)

OVER ALL JADE WANTED SHILPA TO LOOK BAD, SHE KNOWS IT WILL GO OUT ON THE HIGHLIGHTS SHOW. SHE WANTS SHILPA OUT IMO AND SEES HER AS A THREAT SO SHE NICK PICKS/MAGNIFIES EVERYTHING SHE DOESE WRONG. JADE SHOULD SHUT HER G@B FOR A CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK YOUR MIND DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXCERCISE RESTRAINT/AND HAVING A BIG G@B DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT

Shilpa's faults IMO

She struggles to let things lie
Spends a lot of time in the kitchen
Too sensitive for her own good/insecure in the house which is understandable

IN SHILPAS DEFENCE I WILL SAY THAT SHE PROBABLY LEADS A VERY SUPERFICIAL LIFE IN THE SENSE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE FOR HER SHE HAS MAIDS ETC PEOPLE CALL HER MADAM AND TELL HER SHE'S BEAUTIFUL THEN SHE COMES TO BIG BROTHER AND NO ONE KNOWS HER AND SHE IS SNARED UPON/ IT IS PARTLY A CULTURE THING/AND A CLASH OF PERSONALITIES/AND MAYBE THERE MAY BE A HINT OF RACISM/AND A LOT OF JEALOUSY

I bet when Jade comes out she will say to Davina that Shilpa is a fake. She said it about Ash I think it must be her favourite word.

[emma]

odm said:

emma said:

I got some good replies there. Thank you all.

Ofni I'm sorry to say but I didn't understand much of what you wrote because I didn't use the forums till this year, but it sounds all a little extreme to me. As far as the forums are concerned I really can't get onto a level where I am going to get angry with other forumers over a reality show just because they have another opinion to me.All this shouting of racism and bullying is so over the top and silly to me I can't help but think a lot of it is a wind up. I just can't get involved. Who are you speaking of anyway? If those forums are like this then I'll have to leave. It's mayhem in there. I just don't have the time in the day for it. This is meant to be a silly amusement for me. My husband gives me enough odd looks with this new little interest. I think he thinks I'm going mad. lol. Seriously though, I love Aisleyne but she has her own life and I do to.

Also back to the issue of Shilpa. I admired her for her sophistication and class and the way she conducts herself. A lot of the girls in there could learn from her. especially Jade and Danielle. She is an interesting element to the show. I was appalled to see how events unfolded with the girls. Their behaviour was disgusting. Danielle behaved like a child. Her issues with Shilpa are real but she should have confronted her as an adult. Shilpa was the first person to snub anyone in the house because of their class. That was not an admiral trait and that is a human quality not a culture quality. Most people are sensitive to vibes and she has been giving off some very superior ones. I would like to add here that anyone who has experience of sophisticated culture in any foreign country will know that snobs are snobs all over the world and pretty much think the same way. Shilpa is a snob. I have met many privileged Asians, Chinese and Africans far wealthier than Shilpa who are very humble for what they have and don't look down on people the way she has done. My husband's industry (fashion) has allowed us to setup business in many foreign countries and we have had the privilege to meet people on so many levels over many many years. One thing I have learnt, remove the culture and you will find that people are very much the same all over the world. You have nasty ones and nice ones. Shilpa has everything admirable of class. What she forgot along the way is humility. This is what the house has 'felt' off her, but instead of approaching her maturely about it they have chosen the roguish route. It was unpleasant to watch and I truly felt sorry for Shilpa. She did not deserve that. But Jermaine sees it the whole thing for what it is and respectfully urges her to be true to herself because she is giving off a lot of the wrong signals. You can't look down on someone and pretend to be their friend. People will see you as false. And that is exactly what is happening. She is not coming across as sincere. Anyone who says it is a culture thing is wrong. I've met far too many woman of class and culture in other countries who I regard as sincere to know the difference. And I've also met a many who aren't. I once sat at dinner in Hanoi with a Chinese girl engaged to our business partner (also Chinese) of significant age difference with her gay friend on one side. While he excused himself to the toilet she and her friend behaved in a way that was quite frankly embarrassing about how their relationship was very much convenience for her. She was beautiful and sophisticated and young, but obviously not in love and not shy to express it when his back was turned. Just an example to say that people behave the same everywhere.

Shilpa took a huge risk coming onto a show like this. In her culture she could be doing a lot of damage to her career if she gets caught in these types of spats with the girls. Personally Jade could be very damaging to her. It's very bad to lose face over there. I've seen businesses fall because a man has lost his cool in a meeting. The shun is so reactive it's mesmerizing sometimes. We've wasted time and money in silly spats.

She is struggling to relate to these people and I don't blame her. So is Jermaine, but he is behaving in way that is true to himself and is earning a lot more respect for it.

This is what I would call a STUNNING post. Well said. Karma to you no problem.

Well thank you very much.

I also want to make it clear that I in no way approve of Jade's and Danielle's behaviour to Shilpa. I think it's despicable.

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mich007 said:

There's an argument/discussion on the live feed right now about it.
Listening to Jade and observing Shilpa I will say that Shilpa feels like an outcast. I think part of the reason why she has been in the kitchen a bit is because that is the only place where she can express herself in the house. I think she is a bit of a perfectionist and very sensitive, I also think she takes criticism very badly which is easy when it is put to you the wrong way and you are used to people fetching and carrying for you and so naturally she takes things to heart. I think she has the best intentions but it isn't being received, therefore she needs to spend less time in the kitchen. Also she needs to let go of things which isn't always easy, I feel for the girl but she keeps on digging up things and won't let it lie. She will probably feel of less use in the house if she spends less time in the kitchen but she just needs to relax a bit and enjoy the experience a bit more. That said I still stand by my opinion that Jade Jo and Daniel have been cruel to her. Jade is trying to reason with Shilpa now but tomorrow she'll probably start being nasty again.

Update

It started as a discussion but then Jade laid into her

Magnified the fact that she chose to vote for Carol in the vote off despite the fact that she hung out with her. Jade repeated this over and over accusing her of playing a game when she should have been loyal to Carol i.e some people chose not to vote. However they voted for Chloe by default without realising. (however someone on DSBB pointed out that Jade laid into Ken because he wasn't playing the game)

Told Shilpa that it made her look fake/accused Shilpa of being fake

Shilpa said it was part of the game in her BB contract to participate

Jade then said to her so you are playing at game

repeating it over and over.

Jade accuses Shilpa of being a fake that she changes all the time, singling her out saying she understands everyone but not her.

Told Shilpa she shouldn't take things to heart i. e when they were complaining about the chicken (What even when she and Daniel made those nasty comments.)

Said she should step back from the kitchen (I agreed with this)

OVER ALL JADE WANTED SHILPA TO LOOK BAD, SHE KNOWS IT WILL GO OUT ON THE HIGHLIGHTS SHOW. SHE WANTS SHILPA OUT IMO AND SEES HER AS A THREAT SO SHE NICK PICKS/MAGNIFIES EVERYTHING SHE DOESE WRONG. JADE SHOULD SHUT HER G@B FOR A CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK YOUR MIND DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXCERCISE RESTRAINT/AND HAVING A BIG G@B DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT

Shilpa's faults IMO

She struggles to let things lie
Spends a lot of time in the kitchen
Too sensitive for her own good/insecure in the house which is understandable

IN SHILPAS DEFENCE I WILL SAY THAT SHE PROBABLY LEADS A VERY SUPERFICIAL LIFE IN THE SENSE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE FOR HER SHE HAS MAIDS ETC PEOPLE CALL HER MADAM AND TELL HER SHE'S BEAUTIFUL THEN SHE COMES TO BIG BROTHER AND NO ONE KNOWS HER AND SHE IS SNARED UPON/ IT IS PARTLY A CULTURE THING/AND A CLASH OF PERSONALITIES/AND MAYBE THERE MAY BE A HINT OF RACISM/AND A LOT OF JEALOUSY

I bet when Jade comes out she will say to Davina that Shilpa is a fake. She said it about Ash I think it must be her favourite word.

I agree with everything you say there mich007, and it saves me the trouble of saying it.

Only one thing. I must insist that you remember that it's Cleo Rocas. You'll need that info on winners night.